What I plan to achieve here is the documented rebuilding of two old 1969 Chrysler marine 383 engines. Well, one at a time anyway. We'll start with #1 portside. What you will see in the pages to follow is my attempt at doing it the right way. But understand this, it will be my way, and not necessarily be the right or safe way. What follows is a story only. Not a rebuild manual! So sit back and read on. Without having to get your hands dirty, you too may learn a thing or two. My only hope is that it will help someone in the future in a similar situation or give some light on what is to come. Thanks for coming! Send me mail. Mike Wolfe. firstname.lastname@example.org
A rebuild can be a daunting project. I myself have never rebuilt a large boat or auto engine. I've done my fair share of water pumps, starters, carburetors and the like. I started working on engines when I was a young man. Starting small with 2- and 5-horse Briggs and Stratton lawn mowers with my dad. Moving up to rebuilding dirt bike motorcycle engines with my dad, then to larger faster street bikes (without my dad). Then time went by and I & my soon-to-be wife worked on our 550 Jet ski together.
After the Jet ski was a fun one, a 1942 Mercury Super 5 outboard. Completely restored after being found buried in the dirt in a farmer's barn.
Lastly was the 6.5 kw Kohler gen set project. (See Kohler power plant)It came with the boat and it was shot and in pieces.
Looks like a show room model.
(The genset not me!)
So now what do I do? Where do I start? You call the friend who knows Mopar. Get a good book on it, and ask around. Then you extrapolate all the information provided and make a game plan and stick to it. Mistakes can be very costly and must be avoided. One wrong component or procedure can cause a catastrophic failure and a total loss to your rebuild. I shall move forward slowly.
One of the most important things in the successful rebuild of a broken engine is to do a proper post mortem during the disassembly stage. We want to find a complete and sure reason why this engine failed. Collect any and all evidence that you can find as you take things apart. Don't be in a hurry to go scrapping and cleaning right away. Stop and take the time to look close at the gasket seals. Look close for derbies or chunks of ??? or burn marks. Talk over what you find with your gear head buddy's or machine shop guy. Enjoy this part of the job! If you don't catch the reason it quit working, it may get past you on the Reassembly and you will have done all for not!
Get Stuff Ready
It's time to find a good used "Hemi type" engine stand. One that can handle the big blocks completely loaded up and not sag or bounce too much. I will be needing one for some time due to the fact that once this engine is done I will have #2 engine to do. So renting a stand would be out of the question. Also, when all this is over, I could, at my leisure, build a third engine up as a hot standby. (maybe not, we'll see) Thanks to good buddies like Dr. Don, (Hi Don!), who heard my cry for help, I now have the use of his Snap-on engine stand. All he wanted in return was a trip on the boat. He said it was 10 years old and has seen only two other projects. He said his wife said "Use it or lose it, I'm tired of stepping over the damn thing!" It now has a new and useful home... : )
Pat brought me an old, heavy and crusty 1/2 ton chain hoist/wench. This big old "Yale" unit was caked with years of ??? crud, and barely worked and it was heavier than hell! But it did work. However, before I could trust such a unit on my engine, it needed to come apart for inspection, cleaning, and testing.
I'm glad to say that it cleaned up nicely and still seemingly works. Made a big-ass mess, too. Now I need to clean and inspect every link of chain. Yes. Every single one! Then I'll want to load test it... How?
In the end I found a sale at "Harbor Freight" and got a brand new "one ton" (2000lbs.) unit. It had twice the load capacity in half the size. $50. "Not bad" I think I'll feel safer using the new one.
This is a dilemma. The engine is in a hole. The safe but expensive way to extract this engine is to take the boat out of the water (risk) and use a big forklift using a long boom to ease it out. I'll bet at least 5 Boat dollars before it would be over.
(One "Boat dollar" = One hundred you and me dollars)
My plan to date is to dismantle the engine piece by piece in place, all the way down to the short block. This would take a 1,300 pound mammoth down to a plus or minus 400 pound "Pain in the ass." Daryl tells me that 4 men, by hand could get it out and in the truck easily. I don't think so. If one were to drop the engine in the bottom of the boat it could easily put a big hole in it and we don't want that now do we? I'll probably get a cherry picker on board some how.
At the same Harbor Freight sale, I got a new two ton shop crane ($189.) Normally $240. Man is it cool! (orange color) I just love this stuff. I had to take a picture after a fresh coat and wipe down of WD-40. (To remove the shipping grease and finger prints.) By the time my wife got home I was in her parking spot, crane fully extended fifteen feet in the air, hanging from the top my 200 pound freestanding shop vice with the new shiny chain hoist. There I was frozen in the headlight beams like a deer in the middle of the road. I was busted! New tools.
The old engines as they sat.
#2 Engine. ( Starboard)
Serial number E032920
Runs. Ticks, Smokes. Power steering unit works.
KOHLER electric plant
Model 6.5A23 (50226D7)
Ser# 312398 Kohler
Controller # C-245479
KW 6.5 / cycles 60 Volts 120 / RPM 1800
AMP/TERM 54.2 / Batt volts 12
Newly rebuilt last year (1999)
#1 Engine. (Port Side)
Serial number E032919
Runs, No oil pressure. not froze) Bad tick sound. smoking right bank.
Coming out now
Paragon Gear works (Transmission)
Serial number SM-7101
Note that on both engines and transmissions the serial numbers are sequential.
Paragon Gear works (Transmission)
Serial number SM-7100
Some people can do a wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am rebuild. No nonsense, get it apart, get it fixed - get it built - get it in and get it on down the river. This is not necessarily a bad thing...after all, the engine does belong in a boat and not on the bench. However, to proceed in this fashion you must have all the cash ready and then you have to trust the guy that does all the work.
To me the boat engine is the number two most important thing next to the hull. If there is any question of its ability fire up and get you and your loved ones home safely, you can never hope to be able to relax and enjoy the boat for its original purpose.
My game plan will somewhat differ. I can't say this enough times. "If you treat the Refit project as a job, you will soon start to resent the whole thing and end up hating the whole damn thing." After, of course, emptying your bank account. Then having to sell out, if you're lucky.
We are going to keep the light-hearted, slow-going way of doing it. No rush. We are going to have a good time on this new, not-so-easy project and treat it as the hobby that it is. Concentrate on the task at hand. One step at a time. When stumped, or lost on something, sleep on it for a day or two. Roll it around in your head for awhile. The answer will come to you. If you still can't come up with the answer in a reasonable amount of time, ask a "Mopar" wizard. Then you can proceed to the next step on the list with a clear mind.
Call me weird but I like to talk to the spirit in my engines as I work. It's all part of the relaxation thing. I speak to them in a calm positive manner, as would a doctor talk to his sick and worried patient. "Now this may pinch a bit," or like a family pet, "come on baby, open up, let daddy see." Never use a cross tone or foul language at them. They don't like that and can cause serious and costly complications.
Before you start.
Before you even pick up wrench or screwdriver, the first tool you need to pick up is a pencil. Draw pictures of the lay out. The hoses - from's and to's. The same thing with the electrical connections.
This is #2. From here you can see the many hoses, wires and cables that need to be recorded and removed.
Some places where my eye's can't fit to see I stuck the camera in to have a closer look.
I also had the use of a friend's data camera and took a good number of pictures around the block, top and bottom for further reference.
Keep in mind, as I found out later on, the way things are installed now is not nesacaraly the way things are sapost to be???
Switched off all the battery selection switches and disconnected the power, ground first, and removed the batteries, close all the sea cocks and turned the fuel off. I also removed all the coolant and engine oil.
Now, time to remove all the bolted on engine parts that can get in the way. Pumps, pulleys, starter. The carburetor too. Anything that may be in the way of a clean and lighter extraction.
In the mean time...
It's time to clean of the work bench and put away all last year's stuff and the tools from an in-between project. Wipe down all the wrenches and replace a light bulb or two. Make room for some flat spots for all the engine parts we will be bringing home. I have to review, replace, or whip back into shape all the external bolt-on components of the engine. Here's what I'm doing while I have everything apart. "Record all your part numbers!" Write them all down, each and every part that has a designator on it. Measure things as well, pulley sizes and casting numbers, cable lengths, all of it! Some parts have manufacturer names and numbers all over them. Write them all down. This will help you big time in the long run. When you need that certain part you won't have to stand on your head to find the numbers or help you on your way to obtaining spares. "Knowing the right part number is directly related to getting the right part, the first time. Especially if you are doing mail order parts" (First time? That's a joke!)
Sea water pump:
Cool sea water enters the boat via a through hull fitting/valve known as a "seacock." Once in the boat the water passes though a strainer unit with a clear service port to see if the screen needs cleaning. This filters out most all of the larger stuff that can foul the cooling system. Water then travels up and enters this "Sea water pump" It's job is to charge the one large line to the "Heat exchanger" with cool river water. Cool water moves through the heat exchanger in a criss-cross kind of way and collects what else? Heat from the coolant that circulates on the inside of the engine block system! Coming out of the heat exchanger from two smaller ports to flow to the exhaust manifold elbows and then discharged out of the boat from there.
This little pump sure looks nice right after a bead blast job! I'm not sure if it's brass or bronze or even a mix of the two. I do know that the surface will turn a nice green color if left unprotected or uncovered for long. I may not paint it. I did however paint the cast iron pulley, it will rust quickly after bead blasting. This pump was rebuilt with a kit last year before we moved the boat for the first time. No more then three hours were added to the engine's overall time since then. Looking in the end of the pump with a flashlight I can see all the impellers still have new shiny looking edges as I turn the pump over. All the blades were there. Good, we don't want to go back in there if we don't need too. I also did a quick check for end play by grabbing the pulley and pushing in and out on the shaft. Nice and tight. No excess play or slop. Post mortem. Nothing wrong found in this pump short of running less efitionently causing the engine to run at higher than normel temperature. So up on the shelf with it! Next to all the other finished stuff. "Next"
What a weird beast! It's a neat part though. It stands up on top of the engine looking all cool. What surprised me was the amount of busted pump rubber inside this sucker. If you are a user of this type of cooling system and never have had the ends off of your heat exchanger, run, don't walk to your boat and go inspect it now! One bolt on each side, one large rubberized gasket. A good maintenance port for the future! With the amount of stuff I found in this unit it must have restricted 40-50 percent of the total water flow.
This unit is a good looking piece of equipment. All the in's and out's all made up of copper, brass, all soldered up. When you clean it all away it's a real beauty! One other big point of interest, on either side of the exchanger, tapped into the primary "sea water" chambers are "zinc pencil inserts" These must be pulled and inspected! Mine were so far gone I had to go and look up on the internet just to see what they were!!! (Zinc inserts to protect and add life to the engine and its parts.)
This heat exchanger was a pleasure to do bench work on. With the caps off I back-flushed the unit with the hose. More rubber parts and a lot more stuff found. Then I capped all the holes and put some mild solvent in it and let it stand for awhile. After a thorough flushing and some drip drying we were ready to proceed. I made a small wood stand to support the unit and keep it from rolling around and hurting itself. The custom copper hose flanges are soft and have been bent here and there. Using a small plastic tipped hammer and a piece of round steel stock, I tap-tap-tapped every dent out of the flanges. The wood stand will help protect the fittings while under restoration and future transportation, bead blasting, and painting.
Electronic Ignition... Do it or don't.
Before I had decided to start the rebuild, both engines were kinda working. One friend (Dude) told me, "Electronic ignition! Yes!" I liked the idea but I was unsure. I needed more information. Another friend (Del) said "Electronic ignition will over stress your old rings and you'll blow a hole or break something!" I thought, "When in doubt, don't spend any money!" And I didn't. (Good thing)
In the case of this rebuild project, I say we go back in with E.I. I have done all the home work and reading. I even instituted the pro's and con's list of which I could not come up with any con's? Other than the initial cost of installation.
On the pro side, we have hotter spark. No points to go bad or replace. Continuous faster and smoother starting means less wear and tear on the starting system. It's newer, proven technology. I'm sure there's more for it.
So it's shop around time on the internet. See and get a feel for what's out there and what the cost is. Most people want you to think of adding more and special parts for more speed, more power. Adding after market bolt on items to your engine is usually to boost horse power or add rpm's. Well I don't want any part of that. I already have 260 horses per side. What I want is to put this thing back together as flat and as bullet proof stock as possible. I don't want to have any finicky speed parts or add any additional horse power that might over match the transmission and out drives. I'm sure my new rebuilds will next to never be run over 4,500 rpm.
Of the two heads I pulled off #1 engine, none of the casting numbers matched 1969 and Jim at the shop didn't like the looks of either one of them. The one spare head we found in the forward hold had 1968-70 casting numbers on it and must have been original equipment. It looked as if it had been rebuilt and ready to go but I'll have to send it in to the shop and have it checked and serviced before it could ever be trusted. In the mean time I'll look for a replacement head with the same cast numbers to match. I didn't have to look long. Brian over at "Delta Propeller and Machine" had a matched set for sale. Seme casting numbers to my surprise! All I was interested in were the cores. We settled on $100 bucks if they magnafluxed ok and passed muster with Jim. They did. So I got them and the rockers and rocker shafts as well. Part of my master plan is to use the best two of the three and finish the 3rd head to keep as a spare (Haven forbid). Don't forget, I have a second engine to go yet.
The remainder of the engine assembly lasted for the next several months. Great care was given to assure a proper reassembly and fit for every part. Every thing that went back on the engine was bead blasted, inspected, repaired, refinished, re-blasted and painted. She sure looked pretty.
took a wile to finish all the electrical components and there connections. Once
upon a time thought I knew all the workings and logic of the internal combustion
engine but many years of not doing it caused a lot of my knowledge to laps away.
It’s a damn good thing I got a good buddy that seems to remember all the
things I forgot, and without him I’d have been sunk many time over! (Thanks
due course the reassembly was complete. What a buety! Boy she looked good
sitting there on the test bed ready and rearing to go. I should have, there and
then, hooked her up and tried to start her. But I didn’t.
I was a little scared I guess. Then I got sick. Then the family car got
sick. Then our vacation out of state came along. Then I was waiting for my
partner to come back from his vacation… Excuses. Excuses.
here we are, three months or so later. After all that my wife said “Come on,
get up! Get out there and start that beast!” I said… “There might be
flames!” “I might catch fire and blow up!” She said… “I promise I’ll
put you out if you catch fire!” “NOW GET OUT THERE AND DO IT!” “Come on,
I’ll help you. What do we do first?” (What a dear.) All that remained to be
done was to recheck all my wirework, prim the oil pump, hook up a remote
start/stop button and throttle. Everything else was set. Water feed, fuel pump
first there was a lot of turning over followed by nothing? Then a “Pow!”
(Backfire) “Hmm” Should have taken right off? Ok, on the phone to Deller.
“Did ya do this?” Yep. “Do that?” Yep. “Well try this and that and
call me back” ok… Before I was going to go long on anything I thought I
would review the firing order. Now some marine engines run in the reverse mode
for prop counter-rotation purposes. I know for a fact that both my engines are
“right hand rotation” hence on the engine information plate reads
“M-383-R” The “M” is for “marine.” Of course the 383 is the engine
size. The “R” is for “Right hand rotation.” My reverse rotation is
accomplished via transmition, not engine rotation. Upon the reevaluation of my
copy of the Chrysler marine manual, depicted there are diagrams of both
“right” and “left” hand sparkplug configurations. “Can you guess what
I did?” “Yep.” In short order I had all the sparkplug wires in there right
locations for the right hand engine rotation. Ok, here we go…”EVERYBODY
STAND BACK!!”…. Ignition on. Pump the throttle once for a drink of fuel and
(Hart pounding) turning the starter switch… My ears were reworded with the
rich wonderful sound of a big block Chrysler roaring to life! What a sound.
Music too my ears. It wasn’t as loud as I thought it would be but it was loud
enough. Man it sounded cool! The kids were jumping up and down, the dog was
barking, and my wife was clapping as best she could wile holding the “fire
blanket” and “fire extinguisher” she was going to put me out with should
things go wrong. (Good girl) The first run lasted about three minutes till the
small amount of fuel I used ran out. The ringing silence that followed was a
fond memory that will last indeed. It worked. It worked well. It didn’t run
then bust. Whack, or crunch. No bang or boom. No fires. No sparks. This was a
good thing for sure. All these fears of what might happen on start up were pent
up inside me all the way along the whole rebuild. All the money spent on parts
and machinening. All the long hours spent in the cold garage, truly not wasted
course what was to follow was an emeadieat refueling, and at least three
separate “speakerphone calls” too Del, Barry and Carl demonstrating the
“Majesty and ausom roar” of a big block start up. (I had to share right?)
All call participants demonstrated proper levels of enthusiasm and
congratulations. Without these
great guys I could never have done it. (Thanks guys!)
It didn’t take too many days for Daryl to find his way to come visit and help me do the final tweaking of carb and timing and such. By the time we finished with it I’m sure the neighbors were done with it too. Although loud, the sound has an alluring quality and drew in some of the local males as well as kids for a better look-see. The engine was responding well indeed to our efforts. Temps were good. (141) The carb rebuild held fast. No leaking of fuel of any kind and all the linkages were working nice and smooth. We had a slight oil leak under one valve cover. (No biggie, after the future re-touqueing of the heads I’m going back with “Felpro cork” gaskets.) No other leaks, oil, coolant or water were detected.
Over the course of the next week or so I would start the engine now and then and get her up to temp. Look for leaks, cracks, and /or flaws. None were found : ) A total of about five gallons of fuel were ran through the engine and all seemed fine like wine. On to the next step…
re-torque, or not to re-torque?
is the question...
talking about the engine heads after they have been installed on a rebuild.
I’ve heard arguments in all directions of how best to proceed. One guy told me
that if you re-torque ten minuets after the first time around that that’s good
enough. (I did that.) Another fella told me to run all the bolts down to spec,
then loosen them all up to finger tight. Then re-torque everything back down
again. He said that would be good enough and that re-torqueing later on would
not be nessery. (I didn’t do that.) The guys at the machine shop said that
would be bad due to the compression of the metal gasket. It should be compressed
only once. They also say the best
way is to re-torque after the engine has come up to temperature 3 or 4 times.
Just another good reason I had set up a test bed in the shop. (I did just that.)
Once I was satisfied with the run in and hose configuration and everything was
proved to work right. Then it was time to pull off the manifolds and valve
covers in order to give access to the bolts and re-torque the heads. I was glad
I did. The left bank had 7 or 8 bolts that turned a bit, but the right side had
only one that would turn. But still, all and all, to better maximize the life
expectancy and integrity of the heads, and there gaskets there of. I do believe
it’s well worth the extra effort to do it right and re-torque.
for transportation and re-insursion.
size and weight of the fully completed, ready to run “Chrysler M-383-R”
engine is huge. Not as huge as some, but It’s pretty darn big. Not just big,
but heavy. Like around 1500 lbs. When I de-installed it from the boat I did it
in pieces. You know, heads, manifolds, starter, pumps…the block was not to bad
to extract on it’s own. But put it all together and man! You got some heavy
stuff! How am I going to get it all back in? First of all I’ll leave all the
exhaust manifolds and all their apparatus off. That will shave a couple of
hundred pounds. No oil. No water. It’s still going to be heavy as hell. I
shutter to think of what would happen if some how it were to fall into the
bottom of the engine compartment! (Let’s not go there ok?) However for
safety’s sake we need to always keep that the bad sinareo in our minds in
order to proceed with a proper amount of safety and sanity.
And no booze till after…
The old “in and out” routine.
I agonized for months and months over the installation details and procedures for getting #1 engine back in its spot. Step by step. Safely. Without incident. My friends think me anal to brood over every little thing. There were so many preparations to do before I could put the engine back in that I was a bit surprised when it finely came time to pick a date to reinstall it. It was like “Well, here we are. Wow.” I’m not really sure why I came up with that next Sunday at 10: a.m. but it gave me some extra time for a buffer. I had to weld a counter balance bracket for the picker, then test it in the grange at home first to be sure of the proper load set up. All worked well, and everything seemed set. The calls went out and manpower was arranged. On that next Friday morning the weather reports were looking bad, and bad went to worse. Rain Sunday. (Damn) We could see it on satellite moving in and looking long lived. I didn’t want to push the date out. I was all set! Good to go. A week’s wait would be too painful, so I made the call to bump. Yep! “Today’s the day.” I said. Sun is out, and the tides are high. Winds are calm. Life is good. I made the phone calls and the guys showed up by that afternoon. The new engine went in slick as a whistle and the old #2 engine came out just as easy. The whole operation lasted less than 2 hours and we were done well before dark. Backs were slapped. Beers were served. Stories were told. Nobody got hurt. Nothing got broke.
Anil my ass! Planning pays off…
A special thanks to my installation crew… Deller, Carl, Kevin, and Randy.
Photos by Deborah
Mnw ; )
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